SB2: February 2009 Archives
February 28, 2009
Editor, The Citizen:
The Pemi-Baker School District deserves kudos for demonstrating to voters, once again, just how effective the Official Ballot form of Town and
SB2 has also had the effect of sharpening the board's efforts to communicate budget proposals and explain the warrant articles to the public. The explanatory materials and documents available at the deliberative session (and from then, until voting day, at school offices) make the budgtet process much easier to understand than years before. District voters who could/did not attend last Tuesday's meeting have the advantage of being able to watch the discussion which took place for several weeks on Channel 3, and may take the opportunity to discuss any concerns/questions you have with board members, administrators and neighbors before casting your vote on March 10.
I hope
Joan Randlett
Plymouth
It's crunch time,
It is so frustrating to listen to and read the same old ugly lies and stories put out by fear mongers, especially those in power, to make people fear the change. Fear the loss of what you know and what you are familiar with. It is that fear factor that the powers to be would have you run to the polls with on election day and vote against any change, but especially SB2.
This initiative, while successful in so many NH towns, has stuck fear into the hearts of folks in Moultonboro. But it is nothing to fear. It is simply a way to vote when unable to make it to Town Meeting for whatever reason.
Instead of the usual Town Meeting, there is the deliberative session, which is a form of Town Meeting......
Editor, The Citizen February 23, 2009
A letter writer on Tuesday February 17, 2009 wrote an anti SB2 letter published in your paper. She wrote that "most of these people (those not at town meeting but able to vote under SB2) will not be at the (SB2) deliberative session to give input, usually not bothering to see why the Selectmen voted to recommend certain things".
Here is where I have a problem: Currently very few people bother to attend the many workshops and hearings that the selectmen and school board conduct to construct a budget and warrant. I attended a number of these workshops and hearings this year and they were sparsely attended. Now, these workshops and hearings will occur with or without SB2. The vast majority of town voters at this
Not so with SB2. SB2 will allow about 30 days for the voter to find out more information thru letters to the editor, websites, talking with friends, etc and then SB2 allows registered voters to vote by paper ballot or even by absentee ballot. That will be the truest form of democracy.
Jim Leiterman
Moultonborough
Editor, The Citizen: Whether or not you support SB-2 comes down to one basic premise. Do you believe in small groups of individuals having the ability to make the decisions for your town or do you believe that every registered voter should have the right to cast their vote in hopes of affecting those decisions. And please don’t say that they can have their voice heard at town meeting because their voices can be heard in a deliberative session just as easily.
I come from a town that passed SB-2 quite a few years back. I am seeing all of the same arguments for and against the bill today that I saw years ago. Fortunately, the residents of the town in which I lived, finally realized that they wanted their voices to be heard and SB-2 was passed, much to the dismay of a small core of individuals who had a very strong voice in the town, prior to the vote.
I guess, for many people, change is a bit unsettling. But I can tell you, from experience, once SB-2 was passed, the majority of the townspeople were much happier. However, I must admit that those who lost power in pushing their own agendas through are still unhappy about the outcome of that vote. In the past, when special interest groups passed warrant articles that cost the town hundreds of thousands of dollars, many of the townspeople were extremely upset. Now that every voter has a say in what passes and what does not, they are much more accepting of the outcome. Even if the voting doesn’t have the outcome you had hoped for, you can at least justify it by saying that the decision was based on the wishes of majority of the voters. And isn’t that what a democracy is all about?
If you consider the number of people who actually have the ability to attend town meetings versus the number of actual registered voters, you can see that a very small percentage of people are controlling the vote. The world we live in today is not the same as the world even 25 years ago. We have many people who travel a great deal for work, we have many people who head south for the winter, and we have people with children whose bedtimes fall well before the conclusion of town meetings. We also have the elderly who may not find it easy to get out of their homes and we also have many people that just don’t have it in them to sit for hours on end in a town meeting. Do none of these individuals deserve to have a voice in how our town spends our money? And now, be honest with yourselves, for those who have attended town meetings, how many of you actually stay until the bitter end. In my experience, once the vote has taken place for a particular item of interest, those interested parties leave the town meeting. So ask yourself, who is really being represented at these town meetings?
In my experience, I have found that those who greatly oppose SB-2 are either currently in power and do not want to let go of the reins or those special interest groups who see their power to push through their agenda threatened.
Now onto another item that outraged me during the process … the strong opinion that a vote may be cast by an “uninformed” voter. No voter needs to attend a town meeting to be “informed”. With today’s overwhelming access to information via internet, TV, newspapers, mailings, radio, talking to friends and neighbors, etc. everyone has the ability to become informed without attending a town meeting. And I find it an insult to be classified as “uninformed” just because I am not present at one of these meetings.
Please remember, that voting is “a right” and no one should have to justify anything beyond being of legal age and legal residency. If another individual doesn’t vote exactly as you do, then is it fair to say that the individual must have been “uninformed”? Isn’t it possible that they might actually hold an opposing view?
Isn’t it funny how “uninformed” has nothing to do with collecting the property taxes being affected by the outcome of these votes?
With the current economic state of our country, it is also evident that everyone needs to tighten their collective belt. Why do towns then feel that they should be exempt from this? My experience has shown me that any townspeople who oppose a capital expenditure are portrayed as being against the children, firefighters, police officers, elderly or any other group that may benefit from the increased spending?
Why can’t they just be people who believe in living within their means?
If you support SB-2, then you believe that you should have your voice heard in how your town actually spends your hard earned property tax dollars.
If you oppose SB-2, then you believe that special interests should have a more heavily weighted voice in how the town spends your property tax dollars, even if it is in opposition to the wishes of majority of the registered voters.
Jane Elliott
Moultonborough
If you live in
Sunday February 22, 2009
The Concord Monitor by Ray Duckler rduckler@cmonitor.com.
Lisa Braiterman, the business administrator for the
Then come 66 pages, information about district revenues and expenses, salaries and benefits, enrollment and district staffing trends, not to mention graphs and charts to illustrate and explain the vision for the next school year.
If you live in
2009
To the inhabitants of the Town of
qualified to vote in town affairs:
You are hereby notified of the First and Second Session of the 2009
Meeting as follows:
FIRST SESSION
You are notified to meet for the First Session of the Annual Town Meeting, to be
held in the Opera House of the
Hampshire, on Saturday, January 31, 2009, at 7:00 p.m. The First Session will consist of
explanation, discussion, and debate of each of the following warrant articles, and will
afford those voters who are present the opportunity to propose, debate, and adopt
amendments to each warrant article, except those articles whose wording is prescribed by
state law.
SECOND SESSION
You are also notified to meet for the Second Session of the Annual Town Meeting
to elect town officers by official ballot and to vote by official ballot on the warrant
articles as they may have been amended at the First Session, to be held at the Opera
House of the Wakefield Town Hall, 2 High Street, Sanbornville, New Hampshire, on
Tuesday, March 10, 2009. Polls for voting by official ballot will open at 8:00 a.m. and
will close at 7:00 p.m., unless the town votes to keep the polls open to a later hour.
Those who are serving their country in the military.
Those with no means of transportation.
Those with health conditions that prevent them from attending lengthy meetings.
Those who are parents or single parents with young children.
Those who are sick.
Those students who are studying out-of-state
Those who are incapacitated or hospitalized.
Those retirees (senior citizens) wintering in a warmer climate.
Those emergency service professionals on duty.
Those doctors, nurses and other medical professionals on duty.
Those public employees on duty.
Those working a second job or working the second shift.
Those who are away on business.
Those unable to attend because of personal or professional commitments.
Those intimidated by open voting.
Those who dislike politics (we understand).
Ordinary people from a diversity of backgrounds who all deserve the Right to Vote
Letter to the editor
February 19th 2009
I understand the concern of those who oppose SB2 for their town. It takes the power away from a few and hands it to the majority.
To suggest that people in the ‘90s did not understand SB2 because it was a new idea, then why haven’t they rescinded SB2 in those towns.
One does not really have to call their friends in SB2 towns – let’s just look at how many efforts there have been to rid that town of
I can save you some time – only
In the past two years Epsom and Epping have found the question on the ballot to discontinue SB2. The voters said NO in a big way.
The fear of those who oppose SB2 is that once it is part of the town charter the people like the idea – and it is tough to return to the days of intimidation and allowing only those present to vote.
Sort of like the tax cap in NH cities – once it is part of the charter – the taxpayers feel a lot safer with city officials handling “our money.”
Neil Young
Editorial
The Meredith News February 19th,2009
There are plenty of arguments for and against SB2. We’re not going to argue that, mostly because so many other people are arguing on both sides. There is one argument against SB2, however, that we find irritatingly patronizing – that a vote under SB2 is not an informed vote. We’re always a bit wary when someone tells us that our vote is uninformed – sometimes it means that that person believes we’re uninformed because we don’t agree. The imagery of a voter confused and alone in the booth, without someone to turn to for answers – give us a break. If someone is “uninformed,” it’s because they’ve made the decision not to pay any attention.
And that, we believe, makes for an informed voter.
Wednesday 2/18/2009
Editor: A letter writer on Tuesday to your paper wrote that claims in recent letters in support of SB2 were full of “misstatements and half truths”. I would like to say that I too am proud to live in this town along with my “alliance friends”, but that doesn’t preclude us from trying to make it even better. I do agree with one statement the letter writer made which is “to get the facts about SB2 before they vote”.
Well, here are the facts:
• There are 73
• The writer claims most towns with SB2 are very large Towns. No true. 32 of the 63 SB2 Towns (51%) ARE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE OR SMALLER THAN MOULTONBOROUGH. (
• The writer said that less than 2 percent of towns per year for the last nine years have opted for SB2. This is FALSE. This past year alone (2008), SB2 Towns INCREASED BY 5% AND SCHOOLS HAVE INCREASED BY 6% ( NH Department of Revenue Administration)
• She stated that services such as visiting nurses, fire, police and ambulance and road maintenance will be compromised. NOT TRUE. The town must prepare an operating budget and a default operating budget at the same time. The default budget is basically last years operating budget, adding contractual and other recurring expenses and eliminating one time operating expenses. A little bit more complicated, but not much. ALL OTHER APPROPRIATIONS ARE VOTED ON SEPARATELY AND ARE NOT PART OF THE DEFAULT BUDGET. So the “hearts and flowers” appropriations are not suddenly gone. By the way in Moultonborough last year there wer 18 of these Special Articles totaling $70,000 ALL VOTED INDEPENDTLY OF THE OPERATING BUDGET(Source: NH Department of Revenue Administration). She also neglected to mention that default budgets may happen in a town without SB2. That is why we actually vote at Town Meeting on operating budgets.
• She incorrectly stated that the deliberative session replaces Town Meeting. NOT TRUE. Per the New Hampshire Department of Revenue Administration the deliberative session is a form of town meeting. The discussions, amendments etc work EXACTLY THE SAME AS TOWN MEETING.
• She stated that warrant articles (at the deliberative session) “can be drastically changed by a handful of people that are NOT elected who do not have all the information or who have an axe to grind”. So how does that differ from Town Meeting? It doesn’t. People have EXACTLY THE SAME RIGHTS AT BOTH THE DELBERATIVE SESSION AND TRADITIONAL TOWN MEETING except that SB2 WILL ALLOW ALL VOTERS 30 days to review and understand the articles AND THEN EVERYONE CAN VOTE INCLUDING BY ABSENTEE BALLOT.
We would invite anyone who wants to be better informed about SB2 to visit our website WWW.MoultonboroCitizensAlliance.org or email us at MoultonboroCitizensAlliance@Yahoo.Com.
Paul Punturieri
Moultonboro Citizens
There is an article in today’s (February 17, 2009) Citizen regarding the Interlakes School District SB2 hearings. The MCA commentary is in blue.
A citizen (from Moultonborough) said “"I was floored, II just walked out of there and I was like 'Wow, my opinion matters, my vote matters.' You wind up in the end with a better product because you know more. That town meeting is part of what makes
A Center Harbor Selectman said, while traveling around the state as part of his job, he has spoken to people in SB2 communities about the process and "nine times out of 10 they'll say it really doesn't work all that well," Really? 9 out of 10? That would be 90%! It only takes 60% to approve or rescind SB2. Then why have no
"It truly empowers people," said a
A resident said that while many people's schedules today are busy, if someone takes enough interest in the (Town) meeting "you're going to make the time to go." But they don’t because many cannot and do not want to. In 2006 in Moultonborough a whopping 78 voters (under 2% of registered voters) showed up at the
"I felt the people put a trust in me to do (the job) and it's almost as though they're not trusting the people you voted in that position to do the job," a former school board member said. "If you can't make it to the meeting, you can vote for your representatives." Now we get to the heart of the anti SB2 debate. Read the previous statement and then read this one. That’s right. They contradict one another. Make the time to go so your vote will count and then you don’t need to vote, we’ve got you covered. Sorry, I want everyone who is registered to vote to vote, not just a small minority.
"To me the great weakness in SB2, you could end up with unintended consequences as the result of an uninformed vote," said a board member saying paying for advertising and mailers on the issues could be too costly and the best way for people to be informed would be to attend the meeting and speak to officials and other board members. Some people do attend all the meetings and workshops. Only some though. In fact, very few. Sometimes .. really a few… like 2. Has the School Board heard of the internet? There opposition to public access broadcasting school board meetings runs counter to the board members arguments. Being able to watch and re-watch board meetings will get the information out to where it belongs- in public.
"To me, I think democracy isn't just a matter of how many vote," it was stated by an attendee."To me it's about the quality of that vote." That’s democratic? I thought all votes were equal. Voting is a privilege. Limiting that privilege is wrong and not democracy, it’s preventing taxpayers from having a say in their local government.
MCA
Thursday, February 12, 2009
Response to letter from Ringelsteins
Editor, The Citizen
I would like to respond to a letter by Todd and Sandra Ringelstein in Tuesday's paper. I know the Ringelsteins and they are good people and wonderful parents as well as long time residents. Their children, as well as mine, have been the beneficiary of the
Editor, The Citizen Tuesday, February 10, 2009
Moultonborough will be having a "Meet the Candidates Night" at the former Lions Club property on Old Route 109 Sunday the 15th. There will also be a discussion on SB2. Mel Borrin will be moderating.
Most of you are familiar with SB2, the voting initiative, but at the risk of boring some I will remind everyone what SB2 does (and doesn't) do. Also, to keep the rest of you folks awake, I will take this opportunity for a bit of disclosure: I am a supporter of SB2. I have not always been so; however, for two and a half years I researched it from both sides and found three major arguments to support it. Also in the disclosure department; Mel Borrin intensely opposes SB2 (unless he changed position in the past few months).....
The Citizen
Wednesday, February 11, 2009
Editor, The Citizen: Regarding Tom Caldwell's "article" of opinion…
Tom Caldwell published (under the heading of News) an op-ed piece on Sunday that I would like to respond to. Mr. Caldwell just doesn't get it. The reason for SB2 is to allow voting by all registered voters on all issues that have been placed on the warrant, debated and, if needed, amended by any and all that want to … and can … attend a deliberation of the articles. There is nothing that cannot take place at the Deliberative Session that would take place at town meeting except the vote on the final product. Let's face it, anything that ends up on the town/school district meeting portion of the respective warrants has been researched, thought out and chewed over by the selectmen, school board, budget committees and any interested parties that attend the weekly/monthly meetings. ......
